Photo Critique

Friday Photo Critique #2

Friday Photo Critique is our weekly community project, where we publish a photograph submitted by one of our wonderful readers, then ask you all to offer constructive feedback on the image.

After a few days, I’ll update the post to feature the most helpful and insightful comments. You will also be credited with a link to your website or portfolio, so be sure to enter it correctly when submitting a comment!

Quick Ground Rules

  1. Play nice! We’ve deliberately chosen photographs that aren’t perfect, so please be constructive with any criticism.
  2. Feel free to offer any type of advice – composition, lighting, post-processing etc.
  3. You can also link to photographs that you feel offer a great example of this type of image shot exceptionally well.

Without further ado, here is this week’s candidate for Friday Photo Critique!

The Photograph

Photo Critique

Photographer: Romain Heuillard
Title: Rosebud Blue Sauce au Caveau de la Huchette

Please let us know what you think in the comments – how would you have approached the scene or taken the photo differently? A massive thank you to everyone who commented last week. The post has now been updated with some of the most insightful comments

The most constructive and helpful comments will be featured on the site, and you’ll also be given priority to feature your own work in a future Friday Photo Critique!.

Feedback and Comments

Here are five of the most useful and insightful pieces of feedback given on this photo, taken from the comments:

Photojoe

Overall, the composition of the photo is fine, I like how the curvature of the support wall follows in with the curvature of the ear and neck of the person in the foreground. The hat gives just enough contrast.

My thought would have been to move the focus from the back of the person’s head out further into the crowd and band. If you are, as peewee1002 said, “seem to be joining the room” the focus would be what the person is seeing and not necessarily the back of their head.

I might have cropped off the right side a little more to force the person in the foreground to be more off center.

Daniel Morgan

My completely amateur opinion:

I actually like the grain. It adds something to it, makes it look darker. Not sure if that’s exactly what I want to say. I just like the effect it gives.

I love the warmth of the faded red signs and the liveliness of all those people crammed in.
What I might have done:

I think I’d have tried to add a very soft flash to the back of the main person so they appeared sharper and more a part of the shot, at the minute he seems in the way of the shot a bit.

Looking at the other photos in the set, I have to say I REALLY like the stone walls and the awesome sharp textures!

Tyrone Michael Avnit

Since the birth of ‘Digital Art’ there seems to be a mass of ‘cool’ images. Images that might have some great photoshop work, but when it comes down to the essence of the photo the photo is empty.

This image on the other hand seems to be an image taken at the spur of the moment. This image tells us a story and I get a sense of loneliness and longing. I think the image tells enough without telling too much.

There are not many images that make you feel something, and I think this image does just that.

Yes there may be noise, exposure problems, and lighting issues that could be addressed, but I think the photographer chose not to since all these come together to add to the feeling of the image.

This image tells a great story. Something nowadays that is hardly seen anymore!

Bradley

Sick…sick…sick….I’m very jealous of this shot…the location, atmosphere, lighting…perfect…This is exactly what I look for when I’m shooting. I would have been like a little kid on Christmas morning. haha.

Now, on to the critique…Don’t take anything I say negatively…I’m a post-junkie and I’m simply going to say what I would do to this shot…not what you should have done…because this is your piece…your eye…your moment.

How i would have changed the shot…If I knew what sort of environment I was stepping into…
This shot looks like this individual is stepping into an environment he’s not familiar with at all. The location..the age of the people on the floor…their clothing….all seems a wee bit different from what the subject is used to. I think the hat is key to this shot…in my eyes, the hat is what’s giving him a different personality. I dig it…

Fill light…the subject needs just a tiny bit of fill light…the dark, dramatic lighting is so perfect…but, throw in a little fill light so that you can see some more detail in the shirt, hat, face…etc…it’s nice for me to have a little extra to work with if I need it.

I would like to see the shot from a lower angle with just a tad bit more of his face showing, still seeing all of him and keeping the straight on shot, just lower the camera another 12 inches or so and to the side a tad. This would create more of a less-dominant feeling to go along with the theme that I’m seeing in my head.

Oh…and the other subject to the side of him…I would have had that person out of the frame. This image is about our main subject…we don’t need anything else taking the attention away from him.

Now…How i would have changed it in post…I stepped outside for a few minutes so that I could walk in with a fresh eye. I think the first split second of seeing an image/ad/artwork/whatever is the most important.

What grabs your attention first?

What’s distracting?

Attracting?

Is this image something that you’re going to visit for a while?

Or will you just glance at it and move on?

This is how I try to approach every image.

I took the image into photoshop for a brief minute to quickly mock-up these thoughts and give you a better visual…some of my adjustments created some discoloration in the grain, but…this is to give you a better visual of what I see or want to see in this image if it’s possible.
Here’s the link … http://img188.imageshack.us/i/362033613143e204e053oed.jpg/

Any who….the first thing that draws my attention is the text in the background and the specular highlights (lamps in the background). That has to go. The lights to the left are fine…since that’s the direction of where the light is coming from onto the subject. I also got rid of some random objects on the walls that seemed distracting to me.

Then, I would flip the image horizontally. Sometimes flipping an image creates a completely different feeling…and sometimes it doesn’t. It’s worth taking a few extra seconds to see what can come of it.

Crop the image…the rule of thirds…I use it and abuse it. It’s a simple and great rule to keep in your workflow. Granted…some images look great when the main focal point is centered or on the far outside. Every image is different…I tackle each image as a new canvas.

Increase the contrast…I painted in a curves layer on a lot of the darker details on the walls, wrinkles on shirts, lights, some people, etc. I did the same thing for highlights. I’m big on creating contrast where I see it should be and not on the entire image.

Since the lighting in this image is on the warmer side, from the tungsten lights, I felt like it should be even warmer. I threw on a warming photo filter to give it a little more UMPH.

Finally, I burned the top of the image a little just to keep the viewer’s eye in the direction of where the subject is looking (dance floor/band area). Otherwise, your eyes would tend to be drawn upwards through the image towards the softly lit ceiling areas. Eyes, naturally, are drawn to the darkest and lightest areas of whatever you’re looking at. No matter how many times I look at the image, I always end up looking at 3 things…the dark backside of the subject…the over-exposed person in front of the band…and the lamps above the over-exposed person. With that occuring…might as well keep the eyes in that area by burning the top area of the image.

Oh…one more thing…I darken the backroom area and brighten the wall for two reasons…so that you can see a wall is there (because it almost blends in) and to create more depth in the image.

Again…you guys just stepped into my head for a few minutes. this is by no means “right,” nor am I ripping on this image or the photographer. it’s just how my brain operates…

Joel Abeyta

Overall, it’s an okay shot. There is a lot to like about it I like that the only thing in clear focus is the edge of the figure in the foreground. The less you can clearly see, the more your brain has to invent. I like the clutter, how it puts you into a story. The dark, empty shadows on the main figure contrasted by the lively band and dancers. Like you’re coming in from a dark, cold night to a warm, blur of a crowd.

What I don’t like about it: Some of the lines and energy in the image send my eyes out, away from the image. The clutter of people is almost too uniform, making it hard to pick out one thing as a focal point. If it were me, I would have kept shooting until I got a better composition with a clear subject.

The color gamut is quite shallow. I have had some success dragging the saturation slider to -20 or so, but not often. Maybe if was a photo of a slum in a border town in Mexico, desaturation would enhance what’s going on in the photo. In this photo with the band, the dancers, the lights and energy, more saturation would have made this image exciting and inviting. With the shallow palette, it’s more of a place I don’t want to go. Looks boring, like an Elk Lodge but for some reason young people are there. (Though I know in real life I would want to go to there.)

David Appleyard is davidappleyard on Themeforest
  • http://www.peewee1002.co.uk peewee1002

    Pros:

    I like the fact you seem to be joining the room with this figure ahead.

    The atmosphere is caught quite well

    No distracting flash light

    Good sense of depth.

    Cons:

    The amount of noise is crazy (I will presume its an SLR) I would have raised my ISO abit higher and got a sharper image

    A little picky here but I would have moved the postion of the person ahead (presuming its a model) to the left slightly so the curve (pillar thing) doesn’t go into his head and we can see the band a little more in the background.

    overall I quite like the way it has been done but think improving the lighting to make the shot more HQ would have been better.

    • Derek

      confused when you say “raised my ISO” when you’re saying there is too much noise.. wouldn’t that have added more noise to the photo?

      • http://www.peewee1002.co.uk peewee1002

        Your iso denotes is how sensitive the image sensor is to the amount of light present. The higher the ISO, the more sensitive the image sensor and therefore the possibility to take pictures in low-light situations.

        Yes you are correct this would increase the noise – but you could lower the shutter speed which should overall allow more light in which could lower the noise.

        I tend to do a few test shots in low light + experment. i often find low light ends up being at ISO at around 800-1600.

  • http://www.5deep.com Adam Royer

    I’m diggin’ this photo. Nice shot! I like how it tells a story, but leaves room for imagination of the viewer.

    I think the composition is good. Like Peter said, there’s some noise going on… but perhaps that was intentional. Some people dig the “grain” look. More “old fashioned”, I suppose.

    Nice work Romain!

    -Adam.

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/setubylens/ Setu

    pros :
    amazing shot! the composition and lighting is awesome. i like the activities happening in front of the man.
    cons:
    almost none…..but i would’ve been better if the man was placed a little more to the right of the picture giving more view of the happenings on the background.

    apart from that,its perfect. lovely tones,lovely focus and dof. great shot!

  • Photojoe

    Overall, the composition of the photo is fine, I like how the curvature of the support wall follows in with the curvature of the ear and neck of the person in the foreground. The hat gives just enough contrast.

    My thought would have been to move the focus from the back of the person’s head out further into the crowd and band. If you are, as peewee1002 said, “seem to be joining the room” the focus would be what the person is seeing and not necessarily the back of their head.

    I might have cropped off the right side a little more to force the person in the foreground to be more off center.

  • 07

    I assume the grain is either an effect, or a product of a consumer-level camera. Either way, no big deal. Not alot you can do about the noise without softening the image too much with noise reduction software, and the image is a tad soft already.

    The biggest thing that pops out at me is how dark the entire right side of the image is.

    Crop it in the middle of the subject’s right shoulder, or just on the right side of the light that exists over his right shoulder. That will pull the emphasis to the nicely out of focus background, and allow your eye to see the highlight silhouette of the subject alot better.

  • http://danielmorgan.co.uk/ Daniel

    My completely amateur opinion:

    I actually like the grain. It adds something to it, makes it look darker. Not sure if that’s exactly what I want to say. I just like the effect it gives.

    I love the warmth of the faded red signs and the liveliness of all those people crammed in.

    What I might have done:

    I think I’d have tried to add a very soft flash to the back of the main person so they appeared sharper and more a part of the shot, at the minute he seems in the way of the shot a bit.

    Looking at the other photos in the set, I have to say I REALLY like the stone walls and the awesome sharp textures!

  • Jessica

    i like it. sure it’s a little grainy, i’m not too hot about the colors of certain blurs, but the idea of it, your concept, i like.

  • http://photographyforsoul.com Can Berkol

    Although it is a taste issue, I think I agree with pewee about noise. The rest..: It may need minor fixes but it is a great angle.

    There are different stories to follow, it’s moving and lively.

    The color choice is also good.

    To the right of the man – upper right corner of the frame, I would just darken that light rectangle area. It’s not a big issue…

    To sum up I like the photo very much.

    one more more comment to Tuts:

    Can the photographers tell us why they need a critique – if of course they have a specific reason to send the photo. For example, do they rather seek technical improvements or artistic improvements. i.e. if this photo was rather meant to be a stock photo I would have commented differently.

    Cheers…

  • http://www.gdepm.com Gaspar Garcia de Paredes

    very nice shot, good warm colors all around, that with the soft background gives the photo a nice welcoming environment.

    noise is, of course, a problem, but that would be a simple fix with software

    the one point someone mentioned above that I agree on is that the image could be cropped better… getting rid of parts of the bottom and right of the image that are dark and uninteresting would make for a stronger composition

  • http://www.picturesofgettysburg.com Tim Nealon

    I really like the mood of the picture. It really gives you the feeling of working into a smoky club.
    As far as noise goes, I think he could have shot at maybe 2.8, 1.8, 1.4 or whatever the lens is capable of, to get a faster shutter speed, in contrast to what is stated above, raising the iso would increase the noise. Besides, if you look at the metadata, he had the iso set to 6400, as high as the d700 can shoot without creating tons of noise. I have to the d700 and I love the ability to shoot with it up to 6400 without a lot of noise.

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/jcpartandphotography/ Carlos Perez

    I agree with almost everyone in saying there is a substantial amount of noise.

    The composition is pretty good but I would have made the guy up front more prominent.

    I would have probably shot this picture with AEB so I could do HDR postprocessing with it and I think that would have made it pop.

  • http://www.flickr.com/tyrone_michael Tyrone Michael Avnit

    Since the birth of ‘Digital Art’ there seems to be a mass of ‘cool’ images. Images that might have some great photoshop work, but when it comes down to the essence of the photo the photo is empty.

    This image on the other hand seems to be an image taken at the spur of the moment. This image tells us a story and I get a sense of loneliness and longing. I think the image tells enough without telling too much.

    There are not many images that make you feel something, and I think this image does just that.

    Yes there may be noise, exposure problems, and lighting issues that could be addressed, but I think the photographer chose not to since all these come together to add to the feeling of the image.

    This image tells a great story. Something nowadays that is hardly seen anymore!

  • http://www.neuemethod.com Anthony Nguyen

    agreed with the pro’s stated above.

    cons: i think the colors looks a little bit flushed out.

  • http://www.primalskill.com Gyorgy

    It’s a little bit noisy.

    For more dramatic look I’d cut out half of the person with the hat, who’s entering.

  • Zimmen

    I like the idea, i get some sort of “Havanna salsa bar in the 20′s” feeling when i see this image. There is just this one person in the image that makes the picture a bit too much 2009, the woman dancing in front doesn’t cary the 20′s feel.

    Apart from that and moving the model a bit ( or a lot) to the right i really dig the image. No problem with the noise, again, it adds to the 20′s feel imho.

  • http://www.behance.net/insalaco vincenzo

    i really like the mood, seems a movie.

  • exit29

    This is coming from an amateur photographer, so take it as you will.

    I like this picture very much. It’s a type of photograph I’ve always longed to take and it’s executed quite well. So well, that we actually get a pretty good feeling for what the photographer was trying to show AND we can see things in it that we want to see ourselves (i.e., a 1920′s feel, it looks like a movie scene, etc.). That’s a good picture, in my opinion.

    I wouldn’t crop it. I like the model where he is. I think if you were to crop it the environment/depth of the scene would shrink too much. I would opt, instead, to open it up in Photoshop/Elements and dim the sconce on the right side of the models head a bit (I find it distracting – it keeps drawing my eye to the right) and getting rid of that green dot on his shoulder. As for the noise, I also agree there is too much. But could that be a product of the way it’s presented to us. What I mean is, I may be looking at it in its “original size”, but it’s still its original size as a compressed jpeg on Flikr. Someone correct me if I’m wrong please, as I would like to know if that makes a difference.

    All in all, I find it to be a wonderful photo.

  • http://www.yeahmanh.com Quoc

    I definitely dig the noise/grain in the photo. The one thing I would change is the composition. You don’t always have to follow the rule of thirds but in the case of this photo, I think you should.

    With that said, I’d move the main subject further to the right so that you as the viewer would appear to be looking over his shoulder.

    Focusing on the musicians on stage or the girl in the glasses would also give the viewer a sense of actually being in the photo.

  • 51X

    The picture is good. The grain actually makes this type of shot better. The colors are also really nice. Your choice to focus the man might not have been my first choice but it seems interesting this way.

    One thing that really bothers me (I don’t why no one has mentioned it) is what seems to look like a lens flare rendered in photoshop in one of the lights. It seems way off. I mean any kind of flare at that distance from the camera with that aperture would look very soft, and more like it’s glowing. Yet this one seems sharp and artificial. That’s the only problem I see with this.

    • http://www.peewee1002.co.uk peewee1002

      I hadn’t noticed the flare…..

      Looks in camera and just a flukey thing which happened. Doubt the photographer realised.

  • http://BradleySmithPhotography.blogspot.com Bradley

    Sick…sick…sick….I’m very jealous of this shot…the location, atmosphere, lighting…perfect…This is exactly what I look for when I’m shooting. I would have been like a little kid on Christmas morning. haha.

    Now, on to the critique…Don’t take anything I say negatively…I’m a post-junkie and I’m simply going to say what I would do to this shot…not what you should have done…because this is your piece…your eye…your moment.

    How i would have changed the shot…If I knew what sort of environment I was stepping into…

    This shot looks like this individual is stepping into an environment he’s not familiar with at all. The location..the age of the people on the floor…their clothing….all seems a wee bit different from what the subject is used to. I think the hat is key to this shot…in my eyes, the hat is what’s giving him a different personality. I dig it…

    Fill light…the subject needs just a tiny bit of fill light…the dark, dramatic lighting is so perfect…but, throw in a little fill light so that you can see some more detail in the shirt, hat, face…etc…it’s nice for me to have a little extra to work with if I need it.

    I would like to see the shot from a lower angle with just a tad bit more of his face showing, still seeing all of him and keeping the straight on shot, just lower the camera another 12 inches or so and to the side a tad. This would create more of a less-dominant feeling to go along with the theme that I’m seeing in my head.

    Oh…and the other subject to the side of him…I would have had that person out of the frame. This image is about our main subject…we don’t need anything else taking the attention away from him.

    Now…How i would have changed it in post…I stepped outside for a few minutes so that I could walk in with a fresh eye. I think the first split second of seeing an image/ad/artwork/whatever is the most important.

    What grabs your attention first?
    What’s distracting?
    Attracting?
    Is this image something that you’re going to visit for a while?
    Or will you just glance at it and move on?

    This is how I try to approach every image.

    I took the image into photoshop for a brief minute to quickly mock-up these thoughts and give you a better visual…some of my adjustments created some discoloration in the grain, but…this is to give you a better visual of what I see or want to see in this image if it’s possible.

    Here’s the link … http://img188.imageshack.us/i/362033613143e204e053oed.jpg/

    Any who….the first thing that draws my attention is the text in the background and the specular highlights (lamps in the background). That has to go. The lights to the left are fine…since that’s the direction of where the light is coming from onto the subject. I also got rid of some random objects on the walls that seemed distracting to me.

    Then, I would flip the image horizontally. Sometimes flipping an image creates a completely different feeling…and sometimes it doesn’t. It’s worth taking a few extra seconds to see what can come of it.

    Crop the image…the rule of thirds…I use it and abuse it. It’s a simple and great rule to keep in your workflow. Granted…some images look great when the main focal point is centered or on the far outside. Every image is different…I tackle each image as a new canvas.

    Increase the contrast…I painted in a curves layer on a lot of the darker details on the walls, wrinkles on shirts, lights, some people, etc. I did the same thing for highlights. I’m big on creating contrast where I see it should be and not on the entire image.

    Since the lighting in this image is on the warmer side, from the tungsten lights, I felt like it should be even warmer. I threw on a warming photo filter to give it a little more UMPH.

    Finally, I burned the top of the image a little just to keep the viewer’s eye in the direction of where the subject is looking (dance floor/band area). Otherwise, your eyes would tend to be drawn upwards through the image towards the softly lit ceiling areas. Eyes, naturally, are drawn to the darkest and lightest areas of whatever you’re looking at. No matter how many times I look at the image, I always end up looking at 3 things…the dark backside of the subject…the over-exposed person in front of the band…and the lamps above the over-exposed person. With that occuring…might as well keep the eyes in that area by burning the top area of the image.

    Oh…one more thing…I darken the backroom area and brighten the wall for two reasons…so that you can see a wall is there (because it almost blends in) and to create more depth in the image.

    Again…you guys just stepped into my head for a few minutes. this is by no means “right,” nor am I ripping on this image or the photographer. it’s just how my brain operates… :)

  • Kris Hunt

    It’s a nice, interesting photo. The main thing that bothers me about it, though, is that at first glance, nothing appears to be in focus. I assume the man in the foreground is the main subject, but so much of him is hidden in the shadows that it’s hard to tell if he’s in focus or not.

    As for the background, it’s too blurry to see any detail, and it’s too sharp to be considered pleasing bokeh. It’s just awkward. Overall, the lack of a clear focal point makes it seem like a botched photo.

  • http://www.joelremigioabeyta.com Joel Abeyta

    Overall, it’s an okay shot. There is a lot to like about it I like that the only thing in clear focus is the edge of the figure in the foreground. The less you can clearly see, the more your brain has to invent. I like the clutter, how it puts you into a story. The dark, empty shadows on the main figure contrasted by the lively band and dancers. Like you’re coming in from a dark, cold night to a warm, blur of a crowd.

    What I don’t like about it: Some of the lines and energy in the image send my eyes out, away from the image. The clutter of people is almost too uniform, making it hard to pick out one thing as a focal point. If it were me, I would have kept shooting until I got a better composition with a clear subject.
    The color gamut is quite shallow. I have had some success dragging the saturation slider to -20 or so, but not often. Maybe if was a photo of a slum in a border town in Mexico, desaturation would enhance what’s going on in the photo. In this photo with the band, the dancers, the lights and energy, more saturation would have made this image exciting and inviting. With the shallow palette, it’s more of a place I don’t want to go. Looks boring, like an Elk Lodge but for some reason young people are there. (Though I know in real life I would want to go to there.)

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/romainheuillard/ Romain Heuillard

    Thank you so much for the feedback!

    About the composition, I agree with what many of you suggested, I’ll try to crop the darker part of the image to focus the attention on the crowd.

    Although on a technical point of view, the place was really dark and I had to shoot at 6400 ISO to have a chance to be sharp. As the EXIF shows, I shot at 1/60th f/4.0 6400 ISO, I’m not sure if there a better setting for what I intended to do. What do you think?

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/romainheuillard/3620336131/meta/

    Anyway thank you for all the boost! :)

  • Bryce Bolling

    Nice shot! I would first offer advice on reading some of these responses. The second you hear someone rattle off some kind of rule that you broke or adhered to just stop reading and move on. Rules are worthless and content is king.

    Now, about the image. My main critic would be to better isolate the intended subject. It seems a bit vague as to whether the subject is the man in front or the background. Doing that may mean that the guy in front should be in the center of the frame or maybe off to the side. It just depends on what you are trying to say.

    I like the feel of the image as well. I tend to ignore criticisms about grain and noise because they don’t magically make an image great if they are different. In this case, you have no other option than the setting you used. If you want your subject to be free from motion you can’t use a lower shutter speed and it’s not like you have much more room on aperture unless you are using a higher end lens. You are stuck at 6400 it seems. Frankly, it doesn’t matter anyway. Grain can be an aesthetic choice.

    Focus on content and use technique to support it. Technique as content is always boring.

  • Dee

    I think everybody’s a little right on this, but still the composition makes the setting// and the setting actively shows the mood so in my opinion this photo would be good. ofcourse i would pshop it to try out some lightning, but hey who desides you style. good job